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ISpy
Starlight Member
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hotwheels63r2
Commander Member
1898 Posts |
 Posted - 08/15/2009 : 05:17:15 AM
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Email sent:
"Ebay
auctions are not doing well lately without a serial number, engine
number, a few pictures and some piece of mind. Take a few pics, lets
see what you have here... Is your car one of nine?"
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Edited by - hotwheels63r2 on 08/15/2009 05:17:54 AM |
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MyStude_Baker
Cruiser Member
USA
123 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 05:30:47 AM
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Yes. I never buy a car, or even bid on a car without a picture.
-Glenn
1951 Commander Land cruiser
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DEEPNHOCK
Commander Member
USA
6334 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 05:49:42 AM
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Sounds like he reads the forum and refuses to market to this playground.
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jimmijim8
Commander Member
USA
1094 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 06:53:39 AM
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Different folks conduct themselves in like circumstances sometimes
quite differently and by some accounts quite weirdly, Whatever. He does
make his phone number known. His e-bay listing is little more than a
classified print ad appearing worldwide.That's the way I see it. If I
was the least bit interested I would give him a call. jimmijim
Stude Junkie+++++++Do it right the f$$$$ Time. Never mind. Just do it right. When youre done your done. You'll know it. |
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SteveH
Starlight Member
USA
58 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 07:21:54 AM
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I actually saw this car before restoration back in 1999. At the time it
was in southern LA and owned by the same gentleman. He seemed to be a
pretty good guy, we bought several parts/cars from him in a package
deal including a Golden Hawk 400 in pieces, a couple of Chrysler 413
Long Ram engines and TON of Tempest parts. He had quite a collection of
all different kinds of stuff. If memory serves me correctly he said he
got most of it cruising estate sales. We didn't look real close at the
car because of his asking price then was pretty high and the car wasn't
in the best of shape (not bad though). It had a white/pearl exterior
and I do remember the red interior. Never popped the hood on it or
crawled underneath though.
Studebaker classifieds! www.studeswap.com |
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JDP
Commander Member
USA
8880 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 09:53:34 AM
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I think from the description, he expects to get 100K for the car, and that sort of buyer will want a hands on inspection.
JDP/Maryland
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jimmijim8
Commander Member
USA
1094 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 11:28:21 AM
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Sherwoo Egberts brought 75,000 on the Mecum Auction {according to their website} in Jan.2009 . jimmijim
Stude Junkie+++++++Do it right the f$$$$ Time. Never mind. Just do it right. When youre done your done. You'll know it. |
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hotwheels63r2
Commander Member
1898 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 12:24:50 PM
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It is clearly a phishing ad but its OK when it is something we are
looking for. Hopefully I'll get to go take a look, because the email I
got back answered nothing.
(still looking for an R2 or R3 4 speed Avanti to buy)
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studegary
Commander Member
USA
5480 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 12:26:24 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by hotwheels63r2
Email sent:
"Ebay
auctions are not doing well lately without a serial number, engine
number, a few pictures and some piece of mind. Take a few pics, lets
see what you have here... Is your car one of nine?"
Thank you.
The
eBay listing doesn't try to imply that it is one of the nine factory R3
cars. The listing states that it was retro-fitted with the R3. Of
course, being a 1963, it couldn't be an R3 anyway.
Gary L.
Wappinger, NY
SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer |
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ISpy
Starlight Member
96 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 12:52:13 PM
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Thanks for the replies...I always learn something intended or not. It
didnt really strike me as a scam,just kinda odd you get a super rare
high $$ car and no photos but the reasons for this make sense. The few
times I have seen it was for a low $$ car. Looked up some info on the
seller from the ad,very interesting...
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go-studebaker
Cruiser Member
United Kingdom
249 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 1:31:02 PM
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Hi guys,
it
may not have a picture, but from the text that guy has been to all the
right people for restoration and also know a lot about Studebakers.
If you are going to spend good money you will get in contact with the seller wether there is a picture there or not.
What on earth did we do years ago before ebay and when there were just line ads. I think we called and made appointments..
Greg
Greg Diffen
Australian Stude nut living in Warwick, United Kingdom
1933 St Regis Brougham Model 56 Dutch delivered
1937 Dicator sedan. Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Packard Seven Passenger monster UK delivered
1939 Commander Sedan Australian Body by TJ Richards
1939 Commander Swiss Cabriolet by Lagenthal
1961 Hawk
1963 Daytona Hardtop
1988 Avanti Convertible |
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hotwheels63r2
Commander Member
1898 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 1:47:32 PM
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yes, my point Gary. Lack of info may be hurting this sale.
When an ad for a car like this says "perfect and pristine" in the same
sentence I have no doubt it is a good car and the seller knows what he
has here.
By phishing I don't mean he is scamming, he is
actually looking for the guys with the money ready to actually buy the
car and does not want to deal with tire kickers..
This is a highly prized car, and the ad is clever, aimed way over most of our heads like Jeff noted.
I am actively looking for an Avanti like this one, but not so restored.
MIKE
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bonehead007
Regal Member
477 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 2:14:46 PM
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He's had a few negative feedbacks. If someone was legite in selling a
car like that, you'd expect to post as much info & pictures as you
could.
Next Studebaker I get would be either tru Turning Wheels
ads or some of the members that sell thru this site like JDP, etc..
New Jersey & Studes Perfect Together |
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nels
Regal Member
470 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 3:10:19 PM
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Man, I feel like I'm getting old. I looked at this car in 1978 when it
was advertised in the Detroit "Trading Post" magazine as a 304 c.i.
Avanti. It was owned by a guy with a bar and it was painted white pearl
by his son. I think he is the one that redid the seat in leather. I
remember the kick palel was a recovered beer carton. Of course that was
41 years ago and I know the car has gone through a significant resto
since. It is amazing how these cars have come of age. |
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bams50
Commander Member
9213 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 3:46:04 PM
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Originally posted by hotwheels63r2
the ad is clever, aimed way over most of our heads like Jeff noted.
Uh...
no. Actually way under "our" heads. Having a valuable car does not
require good ad-writing skills or even much intelligence. The seller's
not "clever", he's bad at marketing, for whatever reason.
I don't see where Jeff inferred that at all
Side not to Nels- you're not getting old, your math is just suspect
Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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sbca96
Commander Member
USA
2683 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 3:47:24 PM
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Both MY front seats are leather, not just the drivers. Share the love!
Tom
'63
Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front
disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather
seats, soon: TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276
cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires |
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nels
Regal Member
470 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 8:39:45 PM
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jlmccuan
Golden Hawk Member
USA
650 Posts |
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barnlark
Commander Member
USA
3069 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2009 : 8:04:51 PM
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Interesting that he thinks the seat was originally leather. The P.O.
says the interior was all vinyl, or at least only lists red vinyl.
Memories like Nel's are why this forum can be so valuable. What an
interesting auction this will be at the end. It's certainly a rare one.
Greg's right; we're spoiled by great pictures now. Not this one and may
not need it anyway.
The little blurb in the newspaper used to be the best finds simply by showing up first with the cash and a smile when you left. |
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55Prez
Golden Hawk Member
781 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2009 : 8:27:39 PM
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Good sleuthing Jim McCuan... I tried to get the seller to give me the
serial number but just got lip service. I knew the name was familiar..
thanks
  
Bob Johnstone
www.studebaker-info.org
64 GT Hawk
55 President State Sedan
70 Avanti (R3) |
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Swifster
Commander Member
USA
3176 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2009 : 8:38:10 PM
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OK, I'm confused. I understand the value of an R3 engine, but someone
explain to me why this car is worth a ton because it was at the Detroit
Auto Show. This show has been typically held in January, and in the
case of this car, January of '63. The car would have been in production
for more than 6 months.
Also, the local dealers typically
supplied the cars on the display floor except for 'show cars' and
prototypes. This doesn't appear to be either.
Some guy here in
Plant City wants $2000 for a badly rusted 289-2V Hawk with a 4-speed
that was supposed to be at the Atlanta show. I don't get why an auto
show car is that big a deal.
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Tom - Mulberry, FL
1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2125.60)
1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)
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edpjr
Cruiser Member
USA
229 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2009 : 9:09:08 PM
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Hey, maybe I should buy it. With apologies to Mel Brooks and Blazing Saddles; I don't need no stinkin' pictures, serial numbers, or other documentation as long as the Seller says it's a good car.  |
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jlmccuan
Golden Hawk Member
USA
650 Posts |
Posted - 08/19/2009 : 9:49:36 PM
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Ed, you have email
Jim
Often in error, never in doubt
  
____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing
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r1lark
Golden Hawk Member
USA
896 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2009 : 06:59:27 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by edpjr
Hey, maybe I should buy it. With apologies to Mel Brooks and Blazing Saddles; I don't need no stinkin' pictures, serial numbers, or other documentation as long as the Seller says it's a good car.
Oh no, not again! 
Paul
Winston-Salem, NC
Visit The NEW Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: www.studebakerskytop.com |
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billmdonn
Cruiser Member
USA
124 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2009 : 1:27:32 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by edpjr
Hey, maybe I should buy it. With apologies to Mel Brooks and Blazing Saddles; I don't need no stinkin' pictures, serial numbers, or other documentation as long as the Seller says it's a good car.
Wasn't the phrase "I don't need to show you no stinkin badges" from Treasure of Sierra Madres with Humphrey Bogart.
"I know nothing"
Sargent Schultz |
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warrlaw1
Cruiser Member
Canada
242 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2009 : 1:44:51 PM
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Billmdonn knows his film classics. Walter Houston directed and also
appeared in the film, I believe. Now pass me a Winston cigarette and a
Utica Club beer with no artificial bubbles! And those hills were the
Sierra Madres |
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bams50
Commander Member
9213 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2009 : 2:06:08 PM
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Pretty easy to verify this car, since Myer's is said to have done work on it.
I'd love to see where this ends up, followed by the same car in a Steinkamp or Poulos listing. Another car just begging for a quality listing and pictures... the car deserves it!
Robert (Bob) Andrews- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys)
Parish, central NY 13131
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jlmccuan
Golden Hawk Member
USA
650 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2009 : 2:12:49 PM
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Not sure it will make the $70K the seller says he'll take in the
listing, at least not on EBay. I don't dispute the value, but the
salesmanship is lacking. Even though the car should stand on its own
merit, I think the first failed listing should have proven the quality
of the listing should at least be equal to the quality of the car. What
is the Ebay fee for a $70K car sale? I think I'd try to get my money's
worth if that's the sales venue I chose.
Jim
Often in error, never in doubt
____1966 Avanti II RQA 0088_______________1963 Avanti R2 63R3152____________Rabid Snail Racing
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studegary
Commander Member
USA
5480 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2009 : 3:06:52 PM
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I do not think that auto show cars are worth more than run of the mill
used cars, unless they were built with some special feature/change.
Some auto show cars are worth less due to the man handling. A sales
manager, that I worked for, purchased several vehicles from the New
York Auto Show over the years. The vehicles were only special in the
sense that they were usually well equipped/optioned. I think that my
1983 Chrysler Executive Limousine may have been an auto show vehicle,
but it never mattered to me.
Gary L.
Wappinger, NY
SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer |
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Gunslinger
Cruiser Member
239 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2009 : 3:22:21 PM
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My '02 Avanti was used in auto shows and some of Avanti Motors print
advertising. That...and $1.00 might buy a cup of coffee for anyone
interested.
Unless there's some provenance that the car was
driven onto the show floor by Andy Granatelli or Raymond Loewy himself,
I see no added value beyond some bragging rights. Even then additional
value is arguable.
Poet...Mystic...Soldier of Fortune. As always...self-absorbed, adversarial, cocky and in general a malcontent. |
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