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    17 x 7 wheels on my lark

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    I am not a fan of the spokes that curve outward, but for a modern wheel it looks good.


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    Fills up the wheel opening good and dont look out of place but I'am not a fan of anything larger than 15" on a classic car.

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    So many folks put the taller wheels on older cars but don't lower them like you did. The result is that the car looks like it is on its tip toes or that it's pants are too short and its socks are showing.

    You did it just right. The wheels/tires fill the wheel wells with the car lowered.

    Perfect stance (IMHO). Beautiful car.

    Newish Mustang wheels?
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    That does look very good! Honestly, I was a little afraid to open this thread , but glad I did. And the Regal trim on the hardtop looks really good, better than a Daytona IMHO (and I've got a '62 Daytona hardtop.......).

    What specifically did you do to lower the car?
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    What Dick said. The proportions are really good. I don't modify cars, but if I did I would start with the profile of your car as a guide.
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    Does it do anything for the ride/handling?

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    Beuatiful. Makes the car look contemporary.

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    That is a great stance!
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    The car looks good with the wheels. Any clearance issues up front?
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    thanks guys! I lowered the car years ago and left it on stock wheels/covers. I cut the coils years ago... think I took a full coil out with a porta-band. In the rear i just popped in an old 1" block I had laying around from when I use to tinker with ww2 jeeps. Had some longerish U-bolts too so it was a budget drop to say the least. The wheels are ridler retro thrusts with zero offset. Thats about 4" backset. 205/50-17. Yes light fender rubbing, I'm gonna slowly massage the metal open with a dowel and easy driving movements. Also installed some gas shocks I got from another member from the board a while back who's local here in Buford. The cars street manners are so much much nicer now. Tracks and corners better but the whitewall radials on the car before were just horrible. Stance is critical for me and I'd like to think I've started mastering the art of it over the years and vehicles I've had. Here's a before shot. If I decide to return to the stock covers I'll try to find some 15 x 7" wheels with wide whites for a different look.

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    IF one keeps the outside tire diameter the same (or close) to "stock" there is no reason a larger diameter wheel need make the car look like it is "up on its toes," nor must it be lowered to compensate.

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    I think the stance and the wheels look good, though I would personally have not lowered the front quite so much - what you have there is a slight "Dago rake". Of course with four people in the car, it would probably sit about level. I have 17x7 alloys on my 48 Starlite coupe, and we set the ride height at 1 inch below stock, although we will have adjustability both front and rear when it is completed. My wheels are from some kind of Nissan, apparently sold only in Japan. The suspension we are using is pretty wide and requires a lot of wheel offset. I am running 215x50/17 tires.

    For fender clearance, I formed a block of wood to fit into the rolled edge of the fender, about 6 inches long, tapered slightly at the ends so it will not have any sharp edges pushing out. Then I jacked out from the frame with a Portapower hydraulic ram, massaged the rolled edge ahead and behind very carefully with a large rubber hammer, released the pressure, took measurements, and repeated until I have the desired 3/4 inch increase, which gives me 1/2 inch minimum clearance. Your car also has a nice rolled edge which would allow this procedure.

    I do not like the popular "slammed" look, which always makes me think the springs have collapsed. I think that can only look right if the wheel well openings are raised accordingly. And of course anything lower than what you and I have makes the car impractical for a normal driver.
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    Unrelated to the wheels, but are you still using the roof rack? JUst wondered why you had the rack on. Regarding the wheels, I recently got an 89 Avanti with lowered front end and 18" wheels with 245/40 tires up front and 245/40's on 20" in the back. The front tires rub the anti-sway bar both directions right and left. I've started checking into some smaller tires up front. An afternoon session at the tire shop experimenting with some 225/40's and 215/50's to see what will give full turning and no interference issues is the next step.
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    Man, you nailed the stance! And the wheel style looks too sweet. Nicely done!
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    Sure looks like you will have major tire/fender rub if you hit a bump in a turn, I always advise
    people when lowering a car to realize it effects drive ability. Looks great, but it sucks when
    pieces of that rubber you paid good money for is flying off the edge of the tire. My Avanti is
    lowered by age, any lower and the exhaust would not clear speed bumps.

    I went with 17 x 8 on my Avanti back in 2006, and I can say the Board is much more lenient
    these days, I recall getting emails from Members of this Forum on how I "ruined" the car with
    the wheels. Words like "baby buggy" and some ethnic slurs were dealt. Funny how time has
    softened the response. I also designed a modern disc brake setup that fills that wheel if its
    something you want to also upgrade (I have one set left). My has Avanti graced the cover
    of Avanti Magazine, so I guess I did something right.





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    sbca96... imagine the response when I put 17"ers on my '63 Avanti in the early 90s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like I cared (they are still on it).

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    Just reinforces the old adage there is nothing new on the face of the earth. From large diameter skinny spoke wheels with skinny tires to start out the auto industry, to smaller diameter wider solid wheels with larger tire ratio, to even smaller diameter wheels(13-15") with even wider tires and aspec

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    The trick it seems is to get a decent balance of how the wheel relates to the size of the wheel well opening. AND, how the tire relates to the wheel size. Modern tires that are sub 50 series (and preferably 60 series) take on a "forklift tire" appearance. Some cars pull the look off, but most older cars it does not seem to work well. I fall into the "55 - and up" crowd. For me 15" or 16" wheels and 60 series tires would be my preference. Still, I'd say that, "It's not something I would do, but..., even pushing the limit, it still came out pretty good."

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    I liiiiiiike it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peanut View Post
    Man, you nailed the stance! And the wheel style looks too sweet. Nicely done!
    TRUE DAT!........I mean, I agree!

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    One could always go with a low profile tire.

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    Looks good to me,

    Hope your fender rub delima gets solved,

    61 Lark

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    Quote Originally Posted by sven View Post
    Yes light fender rubbing, I'm gonna slowly massage the metal open with a dowel and easy driving movements.
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    I'm wondering about your suspension and when do the tires rub. I had problems with rubbing on the rear and gouging on the front of my 59 Lark with 235x60x15's. With HD sway bars and more leafs in the rear it stopped. The front was taken care of with some Moog CC655 coils. I know you aren't in for a spring swap but if some thicker sway bars could help body roll, that is if that's where the rubbing happens.

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    I went with 245-60s on 16X8 wheels on my Hawk, the lower chord makes it handle more like a bias ply tire. I get an occasional slight rub on the right rear on hard right cornering (GT Hawks have the driveline set slightly off center to the right). They are a little smaller than the stock tire/wheel combo, but it puts plenty of tread on the ground and lowers the 3:31 pinion ratio slightly.

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    Your car, wheels, and tastes are shared by the majority here but I don't care for the lowered car look on any make older car. I do somewhat appreciate the larger diameter wheels but think a wheel tire combo height should be close to the original tire and wheel combination diameter so the car doesn't look like something from Mattel. 16's with a proper sized tire/stock spring height so as not to cause fitment issues should be more appropriate. I won't modify a car to fit a set of wheels. MHO. Very nice car . cheers jimmijim
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    I fall into the build it how YOU like it personality. It is YOUR car. If someone would want it different they can throw me a sh** ton of money to buy it and then change it. I got blasted at a car show once for modifying my 1961 Mini Cooper into a Pro Street hot rod with a full cage and Buick V6 (rear drive). After taking the tongue lashing I walked around the show to lick my wounds. I came across the guy who bashed me and my car. Wouldn't you know it, his car was a heavily modified race car restoration. I proceeded to bore the guy a new rectum for "desecrating a historical vehicle" as he was so kind to describe my modifications.

    Everyone will have their preferences and opinions. Whether it's politics, religion, Chevy or Ford, restoration for modification. The problem starts, and my hearing ends, when someone tells me their way is the right way and my way is wrong. Sven, your car is bitchin'!! I'd be damn proud to park next to it at a show.

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    Saw your Lark last summer at Caffeine and Octane. Wheels look great! Hopefully you'll be headed to the meet in July. Didn't see you there this June... Not many studebakers anyways... would love to see some more!
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    Local meets, gatherings, car shows and the like. Getting these Studebakers out there and seen. That
    is really where its at. I finally got my Avanti out of the garage and drove it last night. The NOS throw
    out bearing went the way of the ghost. Do what you like, enjoy the hobby, lets not beat each other
    down over something as trivial as wheel choice. Well ... unless they are these :



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    Man, I really like that. What feet pack are you using for the roof rack? I wonder if it would fit my daytona..

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    Thank goodness my daughter didn't like those wheels. She'd have been grounded till her taste changed!

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    I love it! Looks great

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    Awesome car! Stock or modified - you'd certainly be welcomed at any of our chapter meetings. Looking forward to meeting you and seeing your car.
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    I think it looks awesome. Bottom line its your ride and what you like is the greatest thing in the world. Let's line up a,lol the nay Sayers and see what is on their cars 100 to 1 they aren't stock. Probably a lot of special engineering. Can't stand it when people rag on others cars. If you can't compliment take your marbles and go home. How bout a "wow seems like you are proud of your work". WOW!!

    Just sayin!!!

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    I've been shopping around for 15" wheels and tires and ended up finding this style wheel and tire for cheaper than a 15" wheel and tire. The wheel wasnt really cheaper but the tires were. Crazy. Im going with a 215/55/17 though. Im not lowered.

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    Your Lark looks so goood. As I have discovered the purists on this site express their disapproval often, However most of them have radial tires and different subtle changes that aren't readily noticeable. Do your car the way you want, you have to drive it not the purists! Here's a couple of thorns, My Champ P/U which has an R-1, Volare torsion bar suspension, 5 speed, american racing rims and a friends 37 coupe. It has a 327 Chevy, mustang front suspension and a 9 inch ford rear, We drive our cars, and we drive them long distances in comfort with arguably a lot lot better safety than stock ones. Don't get me wrong, I love stock ones as well, I just don't like driving them for long distances!

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    Cant wait to mount it and see what it look like on my 61
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    That looks awesome. Do you have Turner brakes on the front? I want to put 17 X 7 on my Lark wagon but so far I have not found a wheel that clears the front discs. I want to keep the same size on the front and the back, are your tires/wheels the same? I just read further into the messages and found that The wheels are Ridler retro thrusts with zero offset. Thats about 4" backset. 205/50-17. I always assumed that offset and backspace where the same measurement. Can you share with the forum the cost of the Ridlers and tires?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    That looks awesome. Do you have Turner brakes on the front? I want to put 17 X 7 on my Lark wagon but so far I have not found a wheel that clears the front discs. I want to keep the same size on the front and the back, are your tires/wheels the same? I just read further into the messages and found that The wheels are Ridler retro thrusts with zero offset. Thats about 4" backset. 205/50-17. I always assumed that offset and backspace where the same measurement. Can you share with the forum the cost of the Ridlers and tires?
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    A little primer on offset vs back spacing. https://tires.tirerack.com/tires/Whee...%20Backspacing

    My Avanti has 2000 (1999 to 2004 are the same) Mustang Bullitt 17X8 wheels on the front. Similiar to a Lark. They clear the Turner brake setup but need an 1/8" spacer to give full lock to lock clearance. Later than 2004 wheels have to much back spacing. I'm not sure why you would have a brake clearance problem with 17" when the OEM 15" clear.

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    I really don't see much of the "disapproval" by the purists on this thread, so why StudebakerGene felt he had to bring it up is a mystery to me. I am basically a "purist" but I see nothing wrong with what Sven has done with his car.

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