I just read about the 78 chevy front sway bar swap but do any brand x sway bars fit under the rear of a 62 Hawk. Would a sway bar from like a 55 President fit? Just fishin' fer ideas.
I just read about the 78 chevy front sway bar swap but do any brand x sway bars fit under the rear of a 62 Hawk. Would a sway bar from like a 55 President fit? Just fishin' fer ideas.
Yes, several of the '50s long-wheelbase sedans had the rear bar.Would a sway bar from like a 55 President fit?
I once used the rear bar off the Avanti.
Either of those rear bars are a bit wimpy and work best with the stock Stude front bar. If one has gone to the front BigAssBar from the GMs, a larger rear bar, such as the one Dave Thibault offers, would be my choice.
jack vines
PackardV8
About 10 years ago I installed some heavy-duty sway bars in a '53 coupe. I purchased them from Dave Thibeault. They were designed for a Hawk and fit just fine in my coupe. These were quite stout compared with the stock bars. Aren't they available anymore?
I third the Dave Thibeault bars.
Bought one for my 54 wagon.
Good material (real spring material..!), not just a paper weight like many are.
Mike
I was under the impression that the stock Stude bar would fit c/k cars as well as Larks and Avanti. Is there a difference ?
There are three types of stock rear sway bars in the post war era.
-47-50 Commander/land cruiser
-51-52 all models, but usually on commander/land cruiser
-53 and newer all models, but usually on commander/president
Once they got into super Larks, super Hawks and Avantis, my knowledge is limited.
RadioRoy, specializing in AM/FM conversions with auxiliary inputs for iPod/satellite/CD player. In the old car radio business since 1985.
17A-S2 - 50 Commander convertible
10G-C1 - 51 Champion starlight coupe
10G-Q4 - 51 Champion business coupe
4H-K5 - 53 Commander starliner hardtop
5H-D5 - 54 Commander Conestoga wagon
56B-D4 - 56 Commander station wagon
60V-L6 - 60 Lark convertible
Studes with rear bars being standard are the long wheel base sedans.
These are often referred to as 'Y bodies', and were built from '47-'58.
Depending on the year they are known as Land Cruiser, President State, and President Classic, and Packard.
After '58 that all changed.
StudeDave '57
As the bars are metal then some methods can be employed to shape them, especially the ends. I used a matched set from an 86 Firebird. I think the front was 1 5/8" and the rear 3/4". As the rear ends were a bit outside the dimensions I wanted I bent them with the 50 ton press at work. There are formulas but they are best used for straight bars and straight arms. I have seen stock 1960/70's Ford rear bars that fit the rear of late model Studebakers but I'm not sure if they were modified.
The main thing you need to look for is the length between mounting points on the differential and the frame. Having a frame mounted bar means less unsprung weight, which is better.
Len
I have a rusty one here in the shop, I think it is early but do not have all the pieces, I just sold a 55 4 door president state and it has one on it, I think the new owner will be putting it on his speedster, I will be delivering the car to the Placerville area on Thur. car is going to be used for parts needed for the speedster engine, trans, wheels, brakes and drums, flat windshield that is about all that will fit besides door handles ect. the rusty bar set up is for sale if interested.
Candbstudebakers
Castro Valley,
California
We have new rear sway bars in stock for 1953-66 models except Avanti. These are a heavy duty 3/4" type, powder coated black and beautifully finished. I can supply the bar by itself or as part of a kit with N.O.S. links, clamps, plates and new rubber bushes and fasteners. We have the spring plates in stock for the 1953-62 models, all 1953-58 cars should already have a spring plate with provision for a sway bar unless something has been changed.
I also have some used Avanti rear sway bars which I don't believe can be fitted to another model without a lot of work.
Chris
STUDEBAKER of AUSTRALIA
I also went with the 80's Camaro bar on my '64 Daytona. A bit of finessing to get installed, but cheap (under $20 from Pick A Part). I had more to say about it here (scroll down near the bottom):
https://forum.studebakerdriversclub.c...ay+bar+daytona
Last edited by wittsend; 03-03-2015 at 06:59 PM.
Thanks for all the response everyone. In researching I read that AMC Javelin rear bars are a bolt on. How many of those are laying around? Wittsend what is the diameter of this Camaro bar? I've read on the forum, the way the Daytona front bar is set up you can box in the hanger and get more stable control. I'm unsure what the diameter of the Hawk front sway bar is (without laying in the snow and mud). Are all front bars the same diameter so a 3/4 inch diameter rear bar would be the choice. My 64 Cruiser wiggles under my butt when on a corner on uneven pavement it feels squirrely so I'm wanting my Hawk to be much more stable.
I'm not sure of the exact size I installed but I recall it being in the 3/4" to 15/16" range. Apparently they measure them in millimeters so you would have to convert. But, I quickly found this at the Camaro 3rd Gen. site(below). It is worth noting the variations used in the Camaros.
1982, 9 (f/r)
Base - 27mm/12mm
F41 - 29mm/12mm
Z28 - 31mm/21mm
1983, (f/r)
Base - 27mm/12mm
F41 - 29mm/12mm
Z28 - 31mm/21mm
1984, (f/r)
Base - 27mm/12mm
F41 - 30mm/12mm
Z28 - 32mm/21mm
In 1985, (f/r)
All cars except Z28 - 27mm/18mm
F41 cars - 30mm/18mm
Z28 - 32mm/23mm
IROC-Z - 32mm/24mm
The 1986 cars got: (f/r)
Sport Coupe - 30mm/18mm
Berlinetta - 27mm/none
Z28 - 34mm/23mm
IROC-Z - 32mm/24mm
The 1987: (f/r)
All Coupes - 30mm/18mm
Z28 - 34mm/23mm
1988: (f/r)
Sport Coupe - 30mm/18mm
Z28 - 34mm/23mm
1989: (f/r)
Sport Coupe - 30mm/18mm
Z28 - 34mm/23mm
In 1990, (f/r)
RS - 30mm/18mm
Base IROC-Z - 34mm/21mm
16" rim IROC-Z - 36mm/24mm
In 1991, (f/r)
RS - 30mm/18mm
RS with 16" rims - 34mm/21mm
Base Z28 - hollow 34mm/21mm
Z28 - solid 36mm/23mm
Last edited by wittsend; 03-04-2015 at 02:08 AM.
The '53 to '58 Long Wheelbase Sedan (Y Body) Rear Stabilizer Bar is completely different than Avanti.Originally Posted by 55coupe
The Avanti bar is a stand alone type that goes under the trunk floor where the Gas tank would be on all other models, so does not interchange to anything.
Millimeters? What are those?
StudeRich
Second Generation Stude Driver,
Proud '54 Starliner Owner
Similar bars to mine. According to your list, and me going and measuring mine, I have the 1986 spec IROC-Z - 32mm/24mm bars. Mine cost me $16 each and I couldn't be happier with the outcome. I fabbed up my own front mounts. https://www.studebaker-info.org/tech/...fbxlkfsbl.html In the details it reads 31.5mm but it's 32mm front.
Those bars and the Moog CC655 front springs, an extra leaf added at the rear, new gas shocks and all is well.
Len
The flat w/s from a 55 sedan will NOT fit a C/K car...FYI
Len, are you going to have your car at La Palma this may? If so, I'd like to see your brackets for the front sway bar.
59 Lark wagon, now V-8, H.D. auto!
60 Lark convertible V-8 auto
61 Champ 1/2 ton 4 speed
62 Champ 3/4 ton 5 speed o/drive
62 Daytona convertible V-8 4 speed & 62 Cruiser, auto.
63 G.T. Hawk R-2,4 speed
63 Avanti (2) R-1 auto
64 Zip Van
66 Daytona Sport Sedan(327)V-8 4 speed
66 Cruiser V-8 auto
Its U-Pull-It here. Sounds suggestive. Its half off everything on Wednesday I'll be there surfin' the Camaros. Ya just gotta love this forum you can discover many new things if you just ask savin' yerself lots of grief.
Hey Warren,
I have tried to have it there for the last two years and just have not had time to finish it. I'm still a few months away even if I worked every chance I get. It's nothing major just the engine to assembly and many small things but I get caught up in the details.
I hope to at least have it done by summer.
Len
Unfortunately I just checked and I have the 18mm bar. But, with the stock 3/4" (measured about .760) front bar it is probably a better match. I've got 225-60-16" tires on Crown Vic wheels. They seem to dictate more than anything how the car "handles." The car just seems stiff, vague and little reassurance how it is handling. My car sits high too. A 350 Chevy and a 700R4 took about 200 pounds off the front of the car.
I have a '73 Valiant that I lowered the front 4 turns on the torsion bars, 1" lowering blocks in the back. A stock E body sway bar was adapted to the front and a Diplomat cop car bar to the rear. 215-60-15" on Mopar cop car wheels and it handles like a Go-Kart. Be nice to get the Daytona closer to that.
Len,
How about some pictures of the rear bar installation.
Hopefully you will be able to get to the link. https://plus.google.com/photos/11667...705?banner=pwa
These are of the rear bar with the ends made parallel and before and after installation. As I didn't know how it would all fit and handle I made some mounts that would bolt on. I'm happy with the front and rear bars so more permanent mounts are to come.
The 170 Champion engine is no longer in the car and a 63 V8 is going in. The 44 is replacing the 27 and I will change the mounting location. The bar will go either way, facing the front or rear and I have put it up against the frame before the axle and it will fit also. I have to wait until all the fuel system and exhaust is in place for final fitment.
I will make a better mount for the bar to frame but I have to wait until final location is determined because of so many changes under the car.
To save a further question, the rear shocks came with the coil over helpers. They are a HD option for a Plymouth Fury police car. These came about because of the 235/65/15 tires and clearance problems as the car would bottom out with passengers in the rear seat. I have since added an extra leaf, delrin bushes and the sway bar so I might use different shocks once it's on the road again. I have not run it with all those mods at the same time.
Feel free to browse my other albums online. Some are my mods others are for my reference. If you look in the folder named "Jim's Parts" you will find a rear sway bar setup I used to have.
Len
Last edited by Skybolt; 03-04-2015 at 09:47 PM.
Like your setup.
I did one like that a while back and used a Jeep SUV rear bar.
Got the bolt on clamps axle tube off of Ford Ranger.
Think the yard charged me $25 for all the parts..
HTIH (Hope The Info Helps)
Jeff
Note: SDC# 070190 (and earlier...)
Putting the bar on the axle must not add enough unsprung weight to matter, because most all the manufacturers have done it there in recent years. However, I do remember in the distant past a recommendation the bar be attached to the frame and the links going down to the spring pads, just the way the Stude engineers did it.
jack
PackardV8
Anyone here use a 80-96 Bronco rear sway bar? I read a post somewhere in my searching about them being almost a bolt on for most cars. Pictures look promising.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...lectedIndex=20
One of the issues I found with the Camaro bar was the half loop that goes over the differential makes a rather large arc when it moves from full up to full down. This looks like a possible potential problem with the Bronco bar as well. I'd have rather had the end bolts more vertical but if I recall correctly it caused the loop to hit the gas tank. On the other side, if I moved the end links down to get the loop away from the tank they had greater potential to hit the leaf springs (and function at a greater angle to the axle movement). In the end the bar placement wound up as a "best compromise." And to me the compromise was too far rearward at the axle tube and too far downward at the link end. Both were "give/take" actions. also, remember to do this with the axle loaded as that is the position it will be in when driving. If you set it with the axle dropped it will move significantly once the car is back on the ground.
What's the Jeep SUV rear sway bar look like?
I picked up a rear bar from a S10 to use on my champ and I will use a couple of arms from a 80s vintage Ranger to bolt up to the frame.
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The Replacements.
Looking at the previous picture and the one I included here,I do not think the arc will get anywhere near the tank, provided the links are the appropriate length. Link mounts will have to be fabricated. I measured the distance between frame rails on the Studebaker at 30" and found some information leading me to believe the distance between the Ford frame rails is about 31.5".
I am including a picture of my frame with the gas tank installed. I do know I would need to get different mufflers, darn.
I have a Jeep bar here that if my memory is correct, is from a mid to late 90's Grand Cherokee. It's 36" center to center on the end links. This Jeep also had the Dana 44 rear. The Studebaker frame measures the same 36" from the outer sides of the "top hat" so from initial appearances this would work easily for our applications.
59 Lark wagon, now V-8, H.D. auto!
60 Lark convertible V-8 auto
61 Champ 1/2 ton 4 speed
62 Champ 3/4 ton 5 speed o/drive
62 Daytona convertible V-8 4 speed & 62 Cruiser, auto.
63 G.T. Hawk R-2,4 speed
63 Avanti (2) R-1 auto
64 Zip Van
66 Daytona Sport Sedan(327)V-8 4 speed
66 Cruiser V-8 auto
Back around 1990, I installed a rear bar in the 62GT from a late 60s-early 70s Mopar, Baracuda or something similar. It is still under the car and has always done its job well. Back then, I just went to the junk yard and looked for something with potential, but today it may be worth more to the Mopar folks than it was back then
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