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Flashback
Golden Hawk Member

USA
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Posted - 12/09/2009 :  7:58:27 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
When I started to put a hurst shifter in my
53, I tried to get some pictures. A lot of people
had installed them, but I had a hard time finding
a tech how to. So, I hope these pictures will help
someone.


This is the shifter I started with.


This is the mounting bracket I fabricated from the Hurst mount and an another old shifter bracket.


Note the mounting bracket is in three peices. I did this so it could be installed with the trans. in the car.


This is a view from the passanger's side.


Here you can see the stiffner that rons back from the top drivers side trans to clutch housing bolt. You can see it is bolted.


This picture gives you an idea of how it all starts to fit


Here you can see there is no interference with speedo cable, o/d cable & solenoid. The arm used on the trans is an old Hurst I had. Note that the slot in the arm must be at an angle. The ones that came with the kit were straight up and down, won't work. The stiffner appears in this picture to hit the arm, but it's only an illusion, it's way back from it.


I think this was the hardest part of the whole project. Forcing myself to cut a hole in the floor of a rock solid car.


And here is the finished product. I used an old style Hurst super boot, and the hold down ring is from a 93 S-10 with 5 speed.

Tex E. Grier

Edited by - Flashback on 12/13/2009 7:00:08 PM

PackardV8
Commander Member

USA
1640 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2009 :  8:49:38 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi, Tex,

I'm sure many will appreciate the T86 how-to illustrations.

As a matter of fact, I'm fitting up a Hurst shifter on a T89/T85 just now and am amazed at how many different solutions there are. Your Hurst brackets are completely different than the three Hurst units I have, also different from two other brands:
Hurst Super Shifter
Hurst Indy Shifter
Mr. Gasket Shifter
B&M Shifter (4spd)
Hurst Super Shifter (4spd)

Each of these use a different bracket to mount the shifter to the same transmission case. None of the shifters wind up in exactly the same spot. There is a way to mount the shifter low, but the arms have to arc up over the overdrive solenoid. A bent arm is a weak arm. Mounting the shifter higher means a larger hole in the floor, but straight shifter arms.

FWIW. I'm going to try making a lever to mount next to the shifter and control the overdrive in/out a la the Rambler Twin Stick.

Again, like the Twin Stick, I'm going to mount the overdrive kickdown switch on the shifter knob. This enables a part-throttle kickdown and splitting shifts to have six forward speeds.

As you can tell, I've loved the Borg-Warner overdrive with a floor shifter since my first Stude Hawk back in '62.

Again, thanks for sharing and you've inspired me to do the same.


thnx, jack vines

PackardV8
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Lothar
Regal Member

USA
421 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2009 :  08:19:25 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Nice job, Tex! Thanks for making the effort to docuument your work and to post it!

1950 Champion 4 Dr.
Holdrege NE
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Swifster
Commander Member

USA
3514 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2009 :  09:29:39 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
The pictures really help give a good idea about the install. Would anyone know if a 4-speed pedestal would also work with this?

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Tom - Mulberry, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $2161.27)

1964 Studebaker Commander 170-1V, 3-speed w/OD (Cost to Date: $623.67)

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studebakerkid
Cruiser Member

USA
161 Posts

Posted - 12/12/2009 :  9:33:17 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
When you put a floor shifter in do not choose a cheep one. I used a Sparkamatic in the 54 and it was nothing but a hassle untill I converted it to two shift rods. The Sparkamatic has to much flex and the selector pin is to soft and wears rapidly and you wind up with a shifter that fights the detents of the transmission and stuck. I sgtill have the Sparkamatic in the 54 but I built a seperate lever out of flat steel stock for 1st and reverse and the Sparkamatic stamped one for second and third.

If you car is ugly then it better be fast.....

65 2dr sedan
64 2dr sedan (Pinkie)
61 V8 Tcab
61 Tcab 20R powered
55 Commander Wagon
54 Champion Wagon
46 Gibson Model A
50 JD MC
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Flashback
Golden Hawk Member

USA
863 Posts

Posted - 12/13/2009 :  6:58:38 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I agree on the cheapie, it's a NO. BUT, back in the day
Hurst shifters were hard to come by. Matter of fact I
don't think they started making shifters til 1958, and
they were too expensive for me. The first shifter I "made"
was copied from a article in the August 1959 issue of CAR
SPEED AND STYLE. It was called a Tornado shifter. The next
one I had was fabricated from a 1951 Ford column shift,
shortened and mounted on a piece of angle iron and a big
muffler type clamp, from the March 1960 issue of RODDING
AND RESTYLING.Any old guys remember either of these? Or,
anyone have the old mags to see them. I dug mine out when
I started to post this article and was going to post some
pictures.

Tex E. Grier

Edited by - Flashback on 12/13/2009 7:15:03 PM
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Jeff T.
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USA
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Posted - 12/13/2009 :  8:54:11 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Will any variety of Hurst mastershift shifter work with a T86?

I thought I had one or two lying around in the basement but for the life of me I cannot find them:) The first swap meet of the season here in Nebraska is early March so what should I look for, a shifter intended for a Ford, Chevy or Mopar or any Mastershifter in general?


Jeff T.

"I'm getting nowhere as fast as I can"
The Replacements.
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Flashback
Golden Hawk Member

USA
863 Posts

Posted - 12/13/2009 :  9:53:42 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Yes Jeff, the shifters are the same, and only the
levers are different. I chose the one I used because
of the shape of the lever. All the mounting must be
fabricated anyway, unless you get lucky on one that is
correct for you Stude. But even then it's pricey. I bought
the nos one iused for $100.00

Tex E. Grier
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PackardV8
Commander Member

USA
1640 Posts

Posted - 12/13/2009 :  10:55:34 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
quote:

When you put a floor shifter in do not choose a cheep one.
There's at least three levels of shifter - Hurst Super Shifter/SynchroLoc/MasterShifter; there's cheaper - Hurst Indy/Mr.Gasket (same shifter, but a big step down from the real Hurst) and cheep - Sparkomatic and the later imports. And yes, the Hurst made fifty years ago is better than those made today.

thnx, jack vines

PackardV8
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turbostude
Starlight Member

USA
99 Posts

Posted - 12/14/2009 :  11:17:01 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit turbostude's Homepage  Reply with Quote

Here's your $100 Mr. Gasket on a T86. It fit well and so far shifts well. You can see the only real mods were bending the diagonal bracket over the top and a little "ear" welded near the front to stabilize it. The rods needed a little bending. Though it will work, the position takes up too much cockpit room in the
Tribaker, and I will be following Gord Richmond's mod for a top-shifter. We may be collaborating on a how-to on this for the SDC webpage (mostly his stuff from the forum....and a few pics of mine).

Greg
https://Salt2Salt.com
https://Turbostude.com
https://turbostude.com/Tribaker (LP three-wheeler project)
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jrlemke
Champion Member

USA
20 Posts

Posted - 12/25/2009 :  8:55:58 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
I mounted a Hurst Comp. Plus to a bracket like the one pictured. I made a steel block between the shifter and the bracket to allow the pin to move side to side. I also put a ring around the tailshaft of the trans. with a rod thru the end of the bracket to stiffen it. I have had it on my Sag. 4-spd O/D for about 20 years with no trouble except I had to take the shifter apart about a year ago and clean and regrease it.
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mart56
Champion Member

United Kingdom
2 Posts

Posted - 01/15/2010 :  11:46:26 AM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
This is very helpfull, thanks,can you still use the bench seat? It looks like the Hurst sits farther forward than mr gasket item. Did you use the same shift arm type for rev/first and 2/3, os is one offset , longer,shoprter
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Mark57
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Canada
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Posted - 01/15/2010 :  12:24:48 PM  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Mark57's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Not sure if someone was looking for a pic, but here is my top shifter installed on a T-86 OD as well.


Mark
'57 Transtar Deluxe
Vancouver Island Chapter
https://visdc.shawwebspace.ca/


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